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[Grogu82]

Io parlavo del costruire una cosa ugualmente diversa comunque. Ma anche per i nomi coinvolti, la serie A della DC quando invece la Marvel ha dovuto usare pg minori perché i più famosi li avevano dati in licenza.

ok la chiudo qui comunque.

[Reid]

Io parlavo del costruire una cosa ugualmente diversa comunque. Ma anche per i nomi coinvolti, la serie A della DC quando invece la Marvel ha dovuto usare pg minori perché i più famosi li avevano dati in licenza.

ok la chiudo qui comunque.

 

Mhà RDJ  ormai è un nome grosso quasi quanto Batman (Superman è famoso più per ragioni "storiche" che non di vendite effettive)

 

comunque si finiamola qui e andiamo di MSG privati 

[fabiopazzo2]

I primi 3 min di JL


Ps: Ufficialmente rilasciati online eh

Modificata da fabiopazzo2, 15 December 2017 - 12:54 AM.

[Alern92]

Non si può vedere Cavill conciato così

Modificata da Alern92, 15 December 2017 - 01:11 AM.

["Alucard"]

I primi 3 min di JL
https://youtu.be/uqqUY2KAMo4

Ps: Ufficialmente rilasciati online eh

Mamma mia

[LambertoKevlar]

da una fonte interna alla warner comincia a delinearsi quale sarebbe stato il film di Snyder,in definitiva

 

Spoiler

All'inizio del film

.Wonder Woman non riesce a fermare la bomba

.Aquaman è un alcolizzato in battaglia con i propri demoni

.Barry è depresso per il padre

.Victor è sull'orlo del suicidio perchè si sente un Frankenstein

 

L'atteggiamento di Wayne per il film è di fatto da suicida in quanto schiacchiato dai sensi di colpa per i morti causati dal suo cambio di modus operandi e sentendosi responsabile per la morte di Clark.

Superman ritorna sbroccando totalmente,indossa la tuta ed è quasi tentato dal passare dal lato di Darkseid,La tuta diventa praticamente nera(infatti è stato confermato ce ne fosse una) ma poi torna in sè e ritorna del colore canonico.

 

tutto questo era stato mostrato nei primi screening con gran parte degli effetti non terminati

 

in definitiva:

Spoiler

Summarised here

Wonder Woman fails to stop the bomb in the courthouse. Aquaman was an alcoholic battling with his demons. Barry wasn't as quippy and was down because of his dad. Victor was more like Frankenstein creation and was all sad. Bruce Wayne was on suicidal mission throughout the film. The last act was him going full suicide mission on his batmobile (look out for the bullet casing motif in slow motion). Superman struggled with good/evil and is almost tempted by Darkside until he snaps out of it at the end. The Black suit slowly turns back to normal colour.

A longer summary of the Snyder cut which had unfinished VFX and was shown at some early screenings. This also supports what we know; that Whedon reshot about 30% of the film with it mostly being the third act.

LONGER: Began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene as I saw in the theatrical version this weekend. However, some lines were added by Whedon and some Zack bits were cut. Aquaman was originally more resilient and shut-off to Bruce here.

DELETED: Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass.

LONGER: History Lesson. But just by some bits. What I was most surprised by was that WB cut out dialogue by the Green Lantern, Zeus and even Ares (Yes, he was there too). They had a couple of lines each. As did Robin Wright and Hippolyta. They just kept the action in and clicked out all dialogue, I guess.

DELETED: After taking the Mother Box from Themiscyra, Steppenwolf actually “talks” to the Box. His mother, Heggra’s essence is alive in the Mother Boxes and bringing them all together would unleash her powers – finally giving Steppenwolf an edge over his uncle – Darkseid. That is what his plan was originally. I thought for sure that they would keep this scene in because they used a dialogue from this scene in the trailers – “No protectors here. No Lanterns. This world will fall. You will be free, mother.”

DELETED – Cyborg’s previous life. He plays a great football match that his MOTHER (Yes, she was cast as well) attends. Afterwards, they drive home. Victor is angry that his Dad never made it while his mother tries to console him. Victor just keeps getting angry and lashing out, loses control of the car – causing a fiery crash..

LONGER – The Gordon scene had a little setup that I didn’t see in the theatrical version. Gordon dismisses a Junkie and tells him to “get better at life” before another cop comes to him with drawings of Parademons. His conversation with the League also ran longer. First, he asks Wonder Woman “if she’s the same woman he keeps seeing reports of in London”. Then, he asks Cyborg “how does he eat? Does he even need to?”.

DELETED: After the attack on Atlantis, Aquaman consults with Mera and Vulko over what he should do next. Mera wants him to stay as King because she “doesn’t trust Orm”. Vulko wants him to do what his heart says. Aquaman confesses that he feels a responsinility to help the people on Earth.

DELETED: The League visits the Batcave. Alfred has humorous reactions to the League. Bruce Wayne talks about a “nightmare” he had. He believes that Steppenwolf will try and resurrect the power of Superman and “that they must do it first unless they want to fight an Evil Kryptonian too.”

CHANGED: Superman’s resurrection was ONLY possible because Cyborg detects foreign genetic material in his DNA a.k.a the Codex. This is the final confirmation needed that Superman can be brought back to life after all. Then, the revival happens pretty much the same.

DELETED: Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail – deciding to meet up later at “the location they discussed”.

DELETED: Kent Farm. Superman brings Lois here. however, he is still very confused and not knowing what’s happening. Bystanders are looking at him and clicking his photos. This confuses him further and he actually tries to attack the civilians with his laser-eyes before Lois manages to calm him down. Superman tells her that “the voices won’t shut up”. Later, Martha shows up here and Clark and Lois are already inside the house. Clark is calmer now but still very confused – his powers are going haywire and his senses are heightened. Martha gives the “Picture the world as an Island. Follow my voice and come back to me” speech from MoS. It seems to calm him down. Later, Clark is wearing his shirt when he sees Pa Kent (Yes, Costner was here too) out in the fields. He goes out to see him. Pa Kent talks about “embracing who you really are”. He tells Clark that “you have to make peace with who you are. You have the power to change the world and you can do that as anyone, good character or bad.” Clark finally embraces Superman as a part of him when Lois walks out. Clark confirms their engagement, Lois breaks down because she wasn’t strong enough. Then, Martha comes out too as Clark decides to help the League and flies off. That’s how it happened in my version. I may have paraphrased some dialogue but that was basically it.

DELETED: Clark heads up to meet Alfred and get his suit.

DELETED: Steppenwolf’s second conversation with Heggra. Now that he has all three Mother Boxes – her return to this world can begin.

CHANGED: Bruce’s conversation with Diana after Superman returns. Diana comes in to pop Bruce’s shoulder and tend to his injuries. Bruce reveals that he is willing to die to save the world. In fact, he says “he deserves to die because of what he’s done. He’s killed people and nothing, not even his hate for Superman can justify killing like that”. Diana tells him that “he’s changed now” but Bruce remains adamant that he can only atone himself by sacrificing his life.

CHANGED: Bruce’s Batmobile is headed to certain death during the finale when Wonder Woman and Aquaman interfere and save his life. They tell him that dying in battle won’t do anything and he must live to keep the fight going.

ALTERNATE ENDING WE WERE SHOWN: Cyborg tries to separate the Mother Boxes while Heggra keeps trying to talk him away. Furious, Steppenwolf grabs him and rips him apart – essentially killing him.

CHANGED: Superman joins the fight and teams up with the League to defeat Steppenwolf. However, at one point, Steppy tries to tempt Superman into joining his army and we see Darkseid (for the first time) in Superman’s vision and we see flashes of the Knight-mare footage. However, Superman SNAPS back from it and delivers the final blow to Steppy, defeating him.

DELETED: Steppenwolf is killed by Darkseid on Apokolips. Darkseid intends to come to Earth to “meet the Kryptonian”.

DELETED: Aquaman meets Mera off the village coast and agrees to come back. Barry steps into the library, Iris smiles at him cutely.

DELETED: Bruce and Barry place Victor’s “body” in the Batcave. Bruce comments that “his organic tissue is dead but it may be possible to reignite his mechanical parts”. Barry promises to help however he can.

DELETED: Lois introduces Perry White to “Clark Kent a.k.a Superman“.

The original after credit scene that was shot in principal photography was Bruce being woken in the night in his lake house by a green light and being visited by Tomar Re and Kilowog.

From these leaks we can get an idea of what the Snyder cut was, which doesn't match up with what you've said.

Note that the cinematographer only confirmed scenes with Superman wearing the Black suit were filmed, not what those scenes were. This supports the leak that it appears when Darkseid and Steppenwolf try to tempt Superman during a vision (similar to how Superman wore a Black suit in a similar vision in Man of Steel).

 

un altro film,un altro tono in cui l'ottimismo tanto decantato è di fatto raggiunto solo alla fine e si sposa mille volte di più con la visione di Man of steel e Batman v Superman

[Genocide]

non ci credo minimamente.

 

è solo quel che fa comodo pensare

Modificata da Genocide, 15 December 2017 - 09:56 AM.

[The Big Boss]

Se fosse vero .... annamo bene .

[fabiopazzo2]

LA LEGA DEI DEPRESSI

[LambertoKevlar]

non ci credo minimamente.

 

 

e non avevamo dubbi su questo

[Genocide]

LA LEGA DEI DEPRESSI

 

a parte questo, che diventa quasi ridicolo quanto spinga QUELLA versione sul depressivo andante (e quindi figata meglio del film uscito a prescindere), ma ci credo poco proprio perchè sembra STRANAMENTE la versione contrapposta a quella che ha floppato miserramente.

 

Come se facessi un piatto di carne a masterchef che fa schifo per poi dire "io volevo fa il pesce ma mi ha costretto la produzione"

 

anche perchè ricordo chiaramente affermazioni di Snyder che parlavano di un film più solare rispetto ai precedenti.

 

e quello non è un film solare

[fabiopazzo2]

 
a parte questo, che diventa quasi ridicolo quanto spinga QUELLA versione sul depressivo andante (e quindi figata meglio del film uscito a prescindere), ma ci credo poco proprio perchè sembra STRANAMENTE la versione contrapposta a quella che ha floppato miserramente.
 
Come se facessi un piatto di carne a masterchef che fa schifo per poi dire "io volevo fa il pesce ma mi ha costretto la produzione"
 
anche perchè ricordo chiaramente affermazioni di Snyder che parlavano di un film più solare rispetto ai precedenti.
 
e quello non è un film solare

Beh certo... guarda sono proprio curioso di vedere la versione di Snyder, non so proprio quanto possa realmente migliorare il film che non fa schifo eh, anzi io l'ho trovato decente seppur pieno zeppo di problemi

[Gippo73]

 

a parte questo, che diventa quasi ridicolo quanto spinga QUELLA versione sul depressivo andante (e quindi figata meglio del film uscito a prescindere), ma ci credo poco proprio perchè sembra STRANAMENTE la versione contrapposta a quella che ha floppato miserramente.

 

Come se facessi un piatto di carne a masterchef che fa schifo per poi dire "io volevo fa il pesce ma mi ha costretto la produzione"

 

anche perchè ricordo chiaramente affermazioni di Snyder che parlavano di un film più solare rispetto ai precedenti.

 

e quello non è un film solare

Anche perchè la tanto criticata battuta 

Spoiler

tu che poteri hai / sono ricco

era presente fin dall'inizio ed era la prima avvisaglia di cambio di rotta , come l'altra

Spoiler

dicono che parli coi pesci

. Chissà , prima o poi si saprà come era la sceneggiatura ufficiale , ma anch'io credo che queste siano , almeno in grossa parte , "false".

Giusto quella su 

Spoiler

Superman , che non sarebbe stata in effetti sbagliata

[Genocide]

Anche perchè la tanto criticata battuta 

Spoiler

tu che poteri hai / sono ricco

era presente fin dall'inizio ed era la prima avvisaglia di cambio di rotta , come l'altra

Spoiler

dicono che parli coi pesci

. Chissà , prima o poi si saprà come era la sceneggiatura ufficiale , ma anch'io credo che queste siano , almeno in grossa parte , "false".

Giusto quella su 

Spoiler

Superman , che non sarebbe stata in effetti sbagliata

 

io al primissimo teaser uscito, quello se non erro durante un comic-con, dissi che era palese il cambio di registro infatti (con lamberto che si rifiutava di vedere la realtà discutemmo anche su quello) proprio basandomi su quel wayne che era più uno stark che un wayne

 

 

non credo si saprà mai la verità. Come non si è mai saputo cosa volesse fare Wright ad Ant-Man. Ci fu chi diceva soltanto

Spoiler

lasciarlo nel microuniverso e a feige non andava bene per vari collegamenti dopo

chi diceva di più.

 

non lo sapremo

Modificata da Genocide, 15 December 2017 - 04:36 PM.

[Escher]

a me pare faccia cagare anche questa versione sinceramente